Issues with Vintage Bicycles

While I love vintage bicycles, and they often can be a very feasible and stress-free means of getting a good, dependable bicycle cheaply, there are certain issues to keep in mind if you’re thinking about getting one. Here are a few things that I’ve run into in the process of owning and riding vintage bicycles that might come in handy if you need to have one worked on in the future. Many of these might not be as big an issue in other countries where a significantly higher number of vintage bicycles are still in use and there is less focus on the latest and greatest super sporty technology, but these are some things I’ve run into here in Portland.

Both Raleigh and Schwinn (and perhaps others as well) made their bikes with proprietary components that were often odd sizes or shapes. Both used kind of unusual wheel/tire sizes, Raleigh used unconventional threading on some parts of the bicycle, and Schwinn used an unusual seat post diameter.

Older Sturmey-Archer rear hubs and matching rims often had 40 spoke holes, but 36 is the typical standard now, so if you have to replace either the hub or the rim it can often mean having to replace both, as it can be difficult to find a hub or rim which has 40 spoke holes (though rims are easier to find than hubs).

Older bicycles often used cotters (thick metal pins) to hold the cranks (which the pedals are attached to) onto the axle that spins when you pedal. It’s a good system, and works quite well, except that nobody makes them anymore, so the cotters themselves can be quite difficult to find if you need, for any reason, to remove the existing ones.

The issue I most recently ran into, is that Raleigh used special double-ended brake cables, so when my brake cable broke yesterday, I couldn’t just go to the shop and have it replaced – they had to order one from Sturmey-Archer and it has to wait until they ship the cable in. Thankfully it was the rear brake, which is the weaker one anyway, so the bike is still usable for a lot of trips, but I’m riding Trina’s bike for my work commutes until my brake gets fixed.

I don’t want to scare you – if the bike has been well taken care of, there is little chance that you’ll have anything major go wrong with it, but the chance is always there, so it may help to just know what might be coming, so that if it does, you’ll be more prepared and have an idea what to do about it.

The upside to this, is that it may connect you with people who share a love for vintage bicycles, or just bicycles in general. It may introduce you to people who you never would have known otherwise, and it may give you at least an elementary understanding of how your bike works, just out of necessity. If you have a good local shop that will work on these bikes, it will give you some camaraderie and perhaps a good laugh here and there when you turn up at the shop and they groan “oh no, cotters again?” :)

To end the post, I thought I’d list a few resources that I’ve found for parts, service, and advice. Hopefully some of it might be helpful for you!

  • BikeSmith Design is where I get cotters for our bikes. They also provide other parts and services that may be useful to someone with a vintage bike.
  • Old Bike Trader has a lot of random Raleigh and Sturmey-Archer parts, some of which are original stock, some pattern parts (made to the same specs as the originals), and many of which are extremely difficult to find elsewhere.
  • Sheldon Brown’s Site has a lot of bicycle related info, some of it specifically related to old Raleighs and Sturmey-Archer hubs.
  • Old Roads has some user forums, parts for sale, as well as full bicycles for sale, and can be a useful resource both for parts and advice.

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  • roseread

    Thanks for the links- especially the one to BikeSmith Designs. I have an old Columbia 3speed, and I'm trying to lower the gearing, and it's been tough finding cogs that fit. I'm going to see if BikeSmith can help.

  • Logan (at) rowdykittens.com

    Great post! Perhaps there will be comeback of vintage parts. My bike maintenance mentor in Davis told me he hasn't seen such a resurgence in part choices, color, and availability since the 70's boom. Great times to be a cyclist. :)

  • portlandize.com

    @roseread: glad I could help out, I hope BikeSmith can help you get what you need!

    @Logan: I would love it if we saw a resurgence of vintage parts circulating (and/or parts meant to make vintage bikes serviceable again after their original parts are either no longer to be found, or damaged somehow), since so many of the old Raleighs, Schwinns and others are still in use 30, 40, 50 and 60 years after they were built. After all, what a shame to toss a perfectly serviceable, practical, comfortable bike just because of something silly like not being able to find cotters or properly threaded bottom bracket cups.

  • cycler

    Good resources and a nice word of caution.
    I'll put in a plug for Old Roads, although the web site is a bit chaotic.
    Vin, who runs Old Roads, and his partner Ed do a LOT of simple refurbs on old bikes – they pick up garage sale bikes, make them road worthy and get them back out there. They have been very helpful in answering all kinds of questions for me.
    I also have re-threaded a lot of the Whitworth threadings on my everyday Raleigh, which is not terribly hard if you have the right tool (metric tap set was $35 at Sears).

    I'll add Yellow Jersey in Madison WI as a source for N.O.S. and a lot of 3 speed parts and advice. They have a ton of new parts for old Roadsters like the DL-1 especially.

  • somervillain

    all great tips!

    i'll also add harris cyclery in newton, ma, and via bikes in phila, pa, as good sources for NOS and other hard to find parts. just don't use their websites… best is to call and ask for help if you're looking for a specific part.

    cycler, i'm going to have to pick up one of those tap sets from sears… sounds like a great deal. my inlaws bought me a set of expensive craftsmen-branded vise-grips for christmas, not knowing i already had a full complement of them… so i wonder if sears will do an exchange…

    back on topic, another issue that is general to all vintage bikes, is that you have to inspect things more carefully whenever replacing a part… my experience is that when you go to replace a part, it's common to see something related that needs replacing as well. for example, on old bikes, when you get a flat, you might find that you also need to replace the rim strips, or file down a rusty patch on the inside of the rim (either of which could have been the culprit in the first place). this happens much less on newer bikes.

    another tip i'll throw out there, is that many vintage bike owners (and bike shop mechanics as well) don't know that there are a few companies out there making modern replacement parts to fit old, outdated, proprietary ones. for example, velo-orange makes headsets and bottom brackets to fit old french-threaded bicycles… good luck finding those parts at your LBS! and velo-orange also sells a nice universal cotterless bottom bracket that fits old raleighs, in case you want to upgrade to modern cranks and do away with cotters altogether.

  • Simply Bike

    Thanks for this post! I am also infatuated with the look of older bikes and am constantly having this discussion with my husband, who's all about new bikes, regarding the appeal of one over another. It's good to hear these words of caution although it by no means dampens my enthusiasm for vintage bikes. Good luck with getting yours running again! S.

  • Anonymous

    I rebuilt a Columbia Sports III and found that E-Bay is a great place to find parts and cables for Sturmey-Archer. Also when I was rebuilding my bike I found this site to be most helpful:
    http://biseekell.blogspot.com/

  • portlandize.com

    @somervillain: yeah, I've actually looked at that velo orange bottom bracket, but I seem to have worked out my cotter issues, and I like the simplicity of the standard, non-sealed bottom bracket, so I figured I'd stick with the original for now. one of the mechanics at my local shop actually pointed it out to me in the first place (I'm lucky to have a fantastic local shop).

    @Simply Bike: It shouldn't dampen your enthusiasm for vintage bikes – really you'll just have different issues with new vs. old bikes. If the old bike was kept up well, you're probably likely to have less issues with it under regular daily use than with a sort of mainstream-brand new bicycle (with the exception of a really well-made new bike like a Pashley or WorkCycles), it's just that if you do have issues with it, it could potentially be a bit trickier to resolve, but there are almost always feasible options.

  • portlandize.com

    @cycler: I might have to check out that tap set too, that could potentially come in handy. thanks for mentioning it!

  • Bob B

    I have two Schwinn Collegiate 5 speed bikes, a 1964 and a 1972. These are very pleasant riding and durable bikes. I'm into each about $100. Each bike has a different sized seat post and stem — Schwinn sizes. Even the seat clamps are narrower than modern ones. Luckily, these bits are durable. The most difficult part to find so far are the ferrules that hold the naked cable under the top tube. Both use rare 26" x 1-3/8" S6 wheels. I'd like to install new wheels, but this will require a wheel size change (probably to 26" 559mm MTB size) and probably some trial and error.

  • Dan Kaempff

    Very useful post, indeed. I'll just add that French bikes, Peugeot in particular, can have some non-standard sizes and threadings as well. The Sheldon Brown article linked to below spells these out.

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/velos.html

  • Psy

    Just found your blog! Love it – my two favorite things in the world, Portland and biking, rolled into one :]

    I personally love vintage bikes, despite all of the problems that come with maintaining them and having to find specialized parts (I say this now as I am searching for a replacement Raleigh fork for a 1976 Super Grand Prix). But what can I say…I love a challenge. Although I am all for cotterless cranks!

  • Anonymous

    For future reference, it is also possible to make a double ended cable by soldering a spoke nipple to the end on a standard cable. You will not be able to use a stainless steel cable, but I have used this method frequently, and it is much quicker than ordering one. Val

  • Traci

    Glad to see this post! I really want a vintage bike and have been looking around, but am not sure what is a good deal and what is a rip-off. I've recently seen both a Schwinn (60's) and a Raleigh (70's) which were supposedly in riding condition, however definitely not great condition. Both were in the range of $120-130 which after looking at ads in other cities seems to be a bit high. I'm also concerned about service in my area since it's dominated by newer road or mountain bikes.